*consumes relevant media* ... "ZOMGZ guys, I am so sorry, I didn't realize, I didn't mean to be so flippant, I was drunk and didn't remember.

You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?

And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members?

As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.


It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.

The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?

I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it.

neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf

also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears

shame that he didn't name you

I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).

There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.

I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.

well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago.

Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!


So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.

I get it, you're saying that unless somebody agrees with you they must not be thinking right? So what you're really getting at is, "agree with me or don't post."

Sorry. man, one does not support a person doing the right thing (and, much more than I would have done in the same situation) by watching their crucifixion at the hands of ignorant people and people who simply dislike him for reasons entirely apart from this issue. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have the moral high ground on this one.

Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?

(it was the latter)

Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wiz. Its GÇ£T-H-E SPACE W-I-SGÇ¥. He has his own corp. Find him.

The arguments against those of us who don't support The Mittani's recent actions has resorted to.. "Oh your a npc corp member you are going to not support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.

Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way...

No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online.
Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political.

If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say.

Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr.

This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well.

There is the problem, he though it was funny.

At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head

Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like.

This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys.

No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now.

I don't know how it is you think these events started or what your imagination is telling you about how this whole thing unfolded, but it certainly wasn't CFC members posting notices to Escapist and Massively about how horrible this guy was made fun of for claiming to be suicidal.

So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.

You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.

Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps.

Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right?

What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game.

So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough.

See, now you're not even trying to be consistent.

It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.

You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.

He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement.

This doesn't change anything. He still owes you nothing. If this thread were never made, that fact would not change. You're putting the so-called "victim" on a stand and claiming to champion the wrongs perpetrated against them when they, in fact, simply don't give a ****. You keep skipping over that part, but you've been pretty good at that so far.

Just be honest about it. You have an axe to grind with Mittens and then Goons by extension, so now you need to latch onto anything you can find to drag a real person through the ground as much as you possibly can in an effort to feel avenged for your space pixels or ehonor or whatever the hell it is that motivates your ire against people on the Internet. Nevermind that it is this exact witchhunt that is dragging EVE more and more into the negative limelight in the press.

Regardless of how effective you say you were as a CSM last year, I feel its only a matter of time before you fall back on who you are as a person and politician. When this happens I think itGÇÖs safe to say that youGÇÖll have no problem with screwing everyone over if you canGǪ Eve, CCP, the players, and those who voted for you. I mean thatGÇÖs what mud-slinging sadists do, right? IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖll be lol-tastic too.

That would depend, did they do it in front of thousand of people, hundreds who were present and then thousand more in front of a live tv feed at an official CCP Event.

Did it then get the attention of numerous gaming internet sites (hopefully it goes no further) ?

Also didn't HB get banned for saying that a CCP Dev should die in a fire didn't he?

stuff

It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood

You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.

You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.

Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.

In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit.

I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now

And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation...

Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue.

No dice. Just about everyone I've shown it to thought that even the public apology was going too far for what was said and they're subbing up to support him.

I still look awesome, thank you very much. Also Eve-O only looks bad to those who dont know it or understand it. Refer to Sandbox..

Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.

It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.

If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:

Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.

If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.

That sounds fair doesn't it?

Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)

This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.

This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.

I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.

He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic.